非常时期

最后一个是我回的，ID“he_lao_liu”。

Board: Harsh Times (2005)
 
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Argument for people who didn't like. READ
  by keyzersoze21 5 days ago (Sun Jun 17 2007 17:31:41) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
 
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I have to disagree with people's complaints about this movie. I can name a few parts where the acting is undeniably good especially in the last half hour. Bale's accent does sound kind of awkward at first but I think that's because it's just another mask like somebody else said, him trying to be someone else. It's also funny that it seems like everyone who actually lives in LA says the accents are spot on and everyone who says it's off doesn't. This movie is brilliant and if you don't like it it's just not for you or you didn't get it but it is by no means a bad movie. Bale's performance may not be flawless like it usually is but altogether he is very believable. It helps if you know people similar to his character but I think alot of us do. I think if you hated it maybe you should give it a second chance.

"you are the devil, we are the D"
 Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
  by WarriorSaint 4 days ago (Mon Jun 18 2007 12:53:26) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
 
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I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.

I live on the outer edge of the ghetto, but not in LA, in the bay area. I still felt that the accents were okay though and that wasn't even my thing. The thing I hated the most is people who seem to have no clue what those areas and the people in them are like. I hear so many people complaining about the choices the characters make, how stupid they are, etc.

I'm like guys, just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks.

But hey to each their own.

I just wanted to compliment you and am glad to see someone GET'S IT!

Kill Pedro....Napoleon Dynamite SUCKED!!!
 Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
  by he_lao_liu 9 minutes ago (Fri Jun 22 2007 22:01:18)
 
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I cannot agree with you two more...

to WarriorSaint:
I love your "just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks", very very true.
Your attitude about movies is kinda like normal common sense, which every movie viewer should have. But when some people are angry with the movie, they suddenly totally forget their "NORMAL" common sense--they merely want to give vent to their own anger--so they just "UGLY" the movie, this is many many people's doing, I myself have done this kinda things several times (of course, not toward Harsh Times) too. So, in deeper sense, we understand them.

to keyzersoze21:
I totally agree with you except the "a second chance" thing...Everyone has his own taste, feel, sense, etc...In a word, people are different. So there are totally different opinions toward the same movie, this is possible, actually very normal. especially when someone already had a bad expression by the first viewing, a second chance will hardly make any change--maybe just make the expression worse. But nothing is impossible, changes sometimes may happen, I had experienced once.

And about Training Day. Training Day is better in directing, filming and other technical things. But Training Day never tries to really unravel the true and ugly side of life. I very agree that Training Day is a successful commercial movie, but it cannot really touch viewer's heart. Harsh Times, tries to do something deeper. As a first directing film, it has some flaws, but at some points (especially the last half hour), it can make viewer's heart really feel. Anybody feels this would agree this is far more important and precious. So all in all, I like Training Day, but I love Harsh Times.

电影的主题是战后创伤，但表现的并不是很直白，作为观众还发现重点就会觉得混乱

男主从战场归来，虽然安全无恙，但战争的经历已经让他没办法回归生活、用平常心思考那些战场上“把人切碎了”之类的记忆，他只能通过混乱的关系、嗑药、暴力让自己不去想，直到精神上崩溃，
政府对于士兵的测试已经测出他心理上“不合格”，他归来后的战争创伤是不合格的，这使他没办法继续稳定的工作，也因此让他没有办法接他的外籍女友入境，他把一切的希望寄托于联邦的新职务，但后来发现他还是去做杀人的勾当，这让他精神上更加恶化，直到濒临崩溃

他本不是恶棍，但他在混乱中却一直在做着一切恶棍才会做的事……用一种没有感觉的态度来对待一切，曾经有一责留言，说，我这辈子干过最疯狂的事，就是清醒的看待我周围的一切…就像男主一样
可惜最后他选择了继续奔赴战场，其实他承受不了，于是他真的开始崩溃了……

我想即使是男人，也一样是血肉之躯，在战争那样难以想象的血腥和残暴中，男主很不幸是最前线的，他做过的事，并不是他真的可以承受，
对于战后创伤还推荐蜘蛛侠的一部“兄弟”，那也是部好片子，表现的主题更突出

没个战场都有这样的杀人疯子。
看看他们的现实生活吧！有些是他们无法控制的。
有些他们做的并不是自己想做的。
关键是他们无法控制自己。或者没人带他们走出来。
或者说这一切都是政府的错。都是他们灌输了一种错误的理念。
这样的朋友让人恐惧，更让人心碎。

也许是AMERICAN PSYCHO里的暴虐演技还没排毒彻底，机械师后遗症还没康复，新蝙蝠侠BALE同学当年继续非正常人类猛男下去，加上训练日编剧AYER充导演的一贯硬汉做派，将战后创伤叙述得如此猛男实属不易。片子诚恳结合上了蛊惑仔们的成年危机，毕竟养家活口正经工作的压力不比道上混得容易；幸好，导演并没将叙事教条化生活化，街坊们还是会时不时被寻仇插喉爆头，看着仇人们在自己的尸体前念几句南美悼词，街头诗意十足，痛快淋漓。

   杀死好朋友的故事被拍成一个男人自我毁灭的故事。

  贝尔强健的体型，脆弱的大脑代表着美国？美国人？

  从片头的梦境到求职的遭遇到到哥们的点题（从墨西哥回来哥们分别时的忠告：“你该去看心理医生；你应该去告军队；告那场战争”）。导演不厌其烦的告诉观众：他的精神心理缺陷，他的自毁型人格，是国家，军队，政府造成的。

  用中国话说是“点背应该怨社会”。导演有点愤青啊！

  还有一条脉络是主人公在女人方面的不成功，他和过去的女人，现在的女人，包括朋友的女人的结果都是灾难性的。他的这种缺陷光用战争经历来解释有点牵强，最起码阐述的不够。

  应该是导演专注于表现男人间的情感。兄弟情，战友的默契，哥们义气。男人间超越利益的那么一点美好的东西。结果却造成了男人的失败。

  残酷的青春原因是不成熟。是不是美国的腐朽让美国长不大？导演也解答不了。（理想国在墨西哥，人间仙境一样的穷乡僻壤）

  结尾回家找老婆的桥段我觉得是添足。有制片方审查的影子。主流价值观的强大说明美国人并不觉得生活在 Harsh Times。


  

    本文有部分剧透，不喜勿看。
    起初看到这部电影的介绍，直接无视掉了，后来随着《蝙蝠侠》《金陵十三钗》《机械师》等片的上映，让我记住了贝尔这个超级演技派的表演实力。后来再次看到这个《非常时期》发现它有着精彩的一切元素：独立制片，实力演员，贝尔已经有了相当的名气，应该有很多的电影可以去选择，既然他选择了这部电影，就一定有过人之处。
    开始观看以后，一种失望之情爆发出来，虽然贝尔的演技没得说，演啥像啥，但是我对他为什么接拍这部电影很疑惑，前100分钟的时间，就是一连串的变换背景音乐下几个成年混混在调皮捣蛋，满嘴脏话，一无是处，就像是当代的嬉皮士。口味之重，让人难以接受，难道两个多小时的时间就是看一部他们在瞎胡闹的b级片吗？这不浪费我的时间吗？甚至对两个男主角，我依然没有同情，我和那个律师女朋友的观点是一样的，他们为什么找不到工作，全是他们咎由自取，整天闲逛瞎胡闹不干正经事能找到工作吗，所有的现状是他们自己造成的，怨不得别人。如果把胡闹闲逛的时间用来正经找工作，学习，一定会不一样的。
    直到结尾，贝尔突然失控，死亡，我被震撼了，敢情前面所有的一切都是为了最后的高潮做的铺垫，这真的是一部超级黑暗的虐心片的，我郁闷啊，还不如看到一半直接删了，也不至于让我这么难受。导演的苦心我也能理解一些了，不是他们不想就业，是不能就业，他们自身的原因只是很小的一部分。一个饱受战争创伤的战士，当兵的时候就是政府的杀人工具，在退役回来以后却被无情的抛弃，连个工作都找不到，找到的只有歧视和不公平的对待，他已经一无是处，唯一能拿得出手的只有他的杀人机器能力，所以他被派往哥伦比亚。这是他无法接受的，也是他不得不接受的，他只有妥协。看看当时美国的社会环境，失业率已经达到了10%，有这部电影已经不足为怪了。吉姆最后必将走向毁灭之路，因为他已经无路可走了。电影可以说是一部退伍老兵的失控历程，所有的一切都失控了，工作失控，朋友失控，连最信任的墨西哥女人也失控背着他坏了孩子，所有的一切已经都不在掌握了，唯一的道路就是毁灭。最后的悲剧结局，是政府，社会，环境和个人的共同造就的。这部电影，绝对是超级经典的佳作。